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Post by ellenseer on Feb 12, 2011 18:23:38 GMT -5
I made my first set out of clay...they were small and i also didnt like the feeling. And then just before yule my mother and i were in a new age shop in england and she bought me a set there (i didnt know at them time, she didnt give them to me until after yule) they are rose quartz, which i wouldnt have picked myself but you cant complain if someone buys them for you! im gratefull for them though, not had a chance to work with them yet.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 12, 2011 18:36:23 GMT -5
I just saw some rose quartz ones today whilst out shopping. They were pretty
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Post by Roberta on Feb 14, 2011 12:01:50 GMT -5
Traditionally I think they are made of a fruit bearing tree, and of course avoid any with sap.. lol Traditionally you do stain them with blood.. however.. there are some 'modern alternatives'. One option is to just prick your finger once and put a few drops into some paint and use that. The idea is that you are infusing yourself into the set and making them a part of you basically.. and attunement and all that jazz.. I have a pretty sweet set that I made with FIMO clay, which you form and carve the runes and then fire it in your oven at low heat to harden them.. FIMO comes in lots of colors.. and I put a couple drops of my blood into the paint that i used to paint the carved rune symbols.. Thorsson's Futhark is also good, I still need to get the runecaster's handbook. Paxson is very good too. I adore her book "Taking up the Runes" .. also Freya Aswynn's Northern Mysteries and Magick isn't bad either.. I think it is important to know the mythic lore behind the runes, tying them into the norse myth, cuz it sort of makes them make sense.. and they are sort of similar to the tarot in that they sort of describe a spiritual journey.. if you look at them that way..
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 14, 2011 12:36:57 GMT -5
Well that would explain why I have issues reading them and wonder how on earth people could possibly learn their meanings. Tarot cards are detailed with pictures, symbols, numbers, colours etc etc.I mean on the old old type tarot cards where the minor arcana do not display a picture, the learner would really have to know about numerology. I guess we are a tad bit lazy going for rider waite type clones lol. Although saying that it is still hard, just a different approach. Omg I am so sorry I turn everything back to tarot when I am trying to talk about something lol. Just easy for me to compare it to I guess. What I was trying to say is, that I find runes hard. Because you would actually have to know alot about the symbol and now that you say it, that would be taught in the mythology. And it would pop up in certain situations and stories about certain themes, I would think. And that is how one learns them. Is that at all right?
Oh and the idea of using blood in such things in this day and age surprises me I must say. I guess I just shy away from anything that mentions the need of bodily fluids. I believe that there are other ways to put your energy into things. Not that I am saying that people who do take part in that sort of thing are wrong, it just isn't for me.
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Post by Roberta on Feb 14, 2011 13:32:40 GMT -5
Omg I am so sorry I turn everything back to tarot when I am trying to talk about something lol. Just easy for me to compare it to I guess. What I was trying to say is, that I find runes hard. Because you would actually have to know alot about the symbol and now that you say it, that would be taught in the mythology. And it would pop up in certain situations and stories about certain themes, I would think. And that is how one learns them. Is that at all right? Sort of yeah.. if I find something online that could explain it better than i could in a few short sentences then I will totally post it if I tried to go into great detail I would just be writing a book, and it would just be easier for you to just go and buy a copy of one of the aforemented books lmao.. and yeah I agree about the blood thing.. I did it cuz it was just the "Asatru" thing to do.. and I wanted to do it as proper as possible.. but that's also the funny thing. Folks that I talk to in europe, like you and sandra and wulf and.. "He who probably shouldn't be named" (aka Mark) I learned that most Americans are really trying too hard, and it's just not that way back in "The Mother Countries" i.e. where most Americans' ancestry comes from.. so here we are beating ourselves in the head cuz we just aren't as close to our roots as we'd like to be, and end up bashing our brains in despite ourselves.. when all ya'll are like.. "Pfft americans" with obligatory eye roll, as you gaily go on practicing it with laid backedness.. Crazy how different paganism of any sort is so much more 'intense' here than it is there.. (and by there I mean any part of europe) .. even Canada. Canadians don't seem to be as hyper about it.. what the hell is wrong with my country?? LMAO!!!! We need to work on this! or rather NOT work on it.. be laid back and go with the flow.. like the other pagans of the world..
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 14, 2011 13:47:49 GMT -5
Thanks, a link would be great. I do have a book but they tell you the meanings just out like that I am wondering if that is the way to learn.
And most Americans are viewed as being over the top in most things to English folk, no offense. I mean to us it is more in the now. Where has American pagans seem to be obsessed with doing it right and keeping the tradition and la la la where we are more it is 2011. We roll with the times and some pagans find that hard to do. Some will insist that a magical journal must be written in your own hand writing and it must be done using a pot of ink and a quill plucked from a rounded turkey! I mean really now. I understand if you are writing a spell scroll or something and it will add to the ritual feel but a simple post it and biro will do lol. And as for the hand writing thing I don't care what anyone has to say about energy passing though your pen. The computer spits out energy all over the place to the point where it makes me feel sick, so don't tell me ours doesn't pass through it also. The time we would put into typing it up gives your time/energy as it is. I say we roll with the times and yes it is great to do stuff the old way and keeping with tradition when it is a Sabbat or you are at a meeting or something but I don't see any witches washing their ritual robes by hand in a stream using a concoction of herbs to clean them. Honey is dumping them in the washer and pouring on the fabric softener lol. We are not expected to have our babies in huts surrounded by the old ladies of the town so why would one be expected to put their menstrual blood into a candle for fear it wouldn't work for you. Well that is my rant over lmao and as usual......no offense meant. Just my own opinion
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Post by mystrick on Feb 14, 2011 13:52:15 GMT -5
Oh I dont have time to wash like that. Not with a 13 month old and all...
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 14, 2011 13:53:21 GMT -5
I don't think anyone has time to wash like that lol
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Post by Roberta on Feb 14, 2011 14:34:25 GMT -5
Amen Rob! that's what I'm trying to say.. it's part of the reason I don't fit in with a lot of groups here, I think a little bit more like you do. I really don't even see a need to label myself as X pagan but since this society here sort of demands it, "What kind of pagan are you?" etc.. I dont' see a need for it really. I mean, "paganism" back in the ancient times wasn't seen as religion.. it was just seen as a way of life.. but modern society thinks it's necessary to have a label and be politically correct about everything.. and no... I don't think you're offensive at all and it makes perfect sense.. I mean I understand some reasoning behind wanting to keep tradition alive.. but at the same time.. new traditions happen all the time. Nobody knows for certain how the celts sat down to a typical evening meal.. but everyone seems to want to recreate it despite knowing nothing about it but speculation.. But yeah I totally agree with you.. nobody has time for all that, and it takes just as much energy to put it into a computer Disk of Shadows, as it does to write it out .. and I don't think it makes it any less valuable.. besides.. it is a hell of a lot easier to correct a mistake on the computer than it does for handwriting. I'm not really american though.. he who probably shouldn't be named always thought I was adopted from some other country and brought here... lmao..
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Post by spyke on Feb 14, 2011 17:16:26 GMT -5
As far as alternatives to blood staining the runes, ocher and linseed oil make a beautiful deep red stain. I have heard some Runesters/Asatruars incorporate either a small amount of blood or some spit into the mix for personalization. It is really very fascinating. To me, the time spent drawing the runes and chanting over them is enough of a personal connection. Heavens know I have no problems with blood, given that I am a Phlebotomist, but I just don't fancy popping open a vein for some divinatory miracles
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 15, 2011 12:48:27 GMT -5
Berts America kidnapped you! And I know. This is what I do not understand about "celtic traditions" and druid lore etc as if they did not keep written records then how do we know? Not that I am saying that it is wrong, just that I don't understand.
And spyke that is just too funny. Going into the ER like help me I'm bleeding! Why did you do this they will ask and when you reply you did it to divine they will have you all doped up to the eyeballs with mood stabilizers and muscle relaxants lol
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Post by auberondraenenwen on Feb 16, 2011 9:07:22 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 16, 2011 10:19:47 GMT -5
Cool site. The rune kit looks cool
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Post by mystrick on Feb 16, 2011 10:52:22 GMT -5
yeah it does...what he said
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